Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

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Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 6th, 2017, 12:44 pm

Well, we have discussion threads for a lot of other franchises on this site already… most of which I am a part of already why Fal has yet to create this thread I will never understand…

As the thread's title goes, anything and everything about Inazuma Eleven will be discussed here, so please be wary of spoilers! Having said that, can I request that anything and everything of upcoming and ongoing Inazuma Eleven-related news (most notably anything and everything regarding Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin) be put behind a spoiler tag?

As a quick little introduction to those new to the franchise: Inazuma Eleven is a franchise where everybody can use super-power soccer techniques in order to try and win in soccer matches. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I look forward to see how other people think about this.

Let us now breathe new life into a franchise that is getting reborn!
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Xadhoom Xado » January 8th, 2017, 12:03 pm

LightZephyr wrote:why Fal has yet to create this thread I will never understand…

It would seem that my fabulous hawkboy is not quite as fabulous as I had believed him. This, however, is mendable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

LightZephyr wrote:Inazuma Eleven is a franchise where everybody can use super-power soccer techniques in order to try and win in soccer matches
Sensationalized sports and gaming series: Soccer Edition. Gotcha.

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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 13th, 2017, 12:05 pm

Guys, come on… give me a break… Zeph, you know how busy I’ve been lately… besides, I don’t want to clutter the site with discussion threads of franchises if I’m not 100% sure that other people (as in “anybody but LightZephyr” other people) are into those franchises as well.

But to prevent this thread to derail even more than it already has… text has been put behind a spoiler tag for reasons that should be very obvious. Yes, I know that reading the hint at what is behind the tag can be considered spoiling some contents of the arc in itself, but this is the best that I could do to talk as openly as possible about the franchise while remaining as respectful as possible by hiding as much content-wise behind spoiler tags as possible.

Also, keep in mind that:
1. “Inazuma Eleven” also includes “Inazuma Eleven the Movie: Saikyou Gundam Ogre”, “Inazuma Eleven (game)”, “Inazuma Eleven 2” (both versions), and “Inazuma Eleven 3” (all versions)
2. “Inazuma Eleven GO” also includes “Inazuma Eleven GO: Kyukyoku no Kizuna Gryphon” and “Inazuma Eleven GO (game)” (both versions)
3. “Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone” also includes “Inazuma Eleven vs Danball Senki W” and Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone (game)” (both versions)
4. “Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy” also includes “Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy (game)” (both versions).

Having said that, spoilers for the games shouldn’t be too big in the character department as, as far as I know, the games and anime were pretty well synchronized in terms of when the character was introduced to the general public (there may be a technique or two that was introduced earlier in the games than in the anime though i.e. a technique could have been released in the GO game but only came out in the Chrono Stone anime).

Favorite Character (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
Fubuki Shirou – I’ve dedicated post after post after post for this guy, and I will, at the very least, dedicate a part of this post to this guy as well right now. Fubuki Shirou has long since been a member of my top three favorite characters of all times (along with Silver from Pokémon Special and Ishida Yamato from Digimon), and while the top has been skewered a bit ever since I got into a whole handful of new (or should I say “old” considering how long they have been out already) franchises like Railgun (*cough* Saten Ruiko *cough*) back in 2016, I still love Fubuki Shirou a lot.

Fubuki is designed completely and totally around the theme of becoming and being perfect, and I can’t emphasize enough how big this is. A lot of people today struggle with this very notion as well, even if it is not to the same degree as Fubuki did, as today’s society is very competitive. “You have to be good in what you do in order to survive”. Even if that thought does not haunt you every single moment like it did Fubuki, it is still something that is at the back of people’s minds today.

I can’t really put my finger on the exact thing that I like about his relationship with Atsuya (especially the seemingly DID-like condition that Fubuki seems to be suffering from), but I found it fascinating at the very least. I found it very fascinating, and I enjoyed watching Fubuki fall before ultimately developing throughout the arc in order to cope with this.

Skills-wise… I really like Fubuki in that he is one of those characters (and one of the very few of which it was explicitly stated) who can effectively play in multiple positions, being able to play as either a Forward or a Defender with relative ease. This ability of his has also been taken advantage of by the team to surprise the opponent by having Fubuki move around the field a lot. It has even reached the point that Fire Dragon’s Captain claimed that Fubuki was a bigger threat than the team’s ace striker, Gouenji Shuuya.

I also feel like Fubuki grew a lot more in terms of character throughout the course of the original Inazuma Eleven, even among the protagonists (I always believed that Fubuki grew more than Gouenji, at the very least). As you should all know by now, I really like the depiction of character growth of characters, so having Fubuki grow so much is really nice.

As far as Fubuki’s actual techniques goes… they’re not overly powerful, but his brother’s Eternal Blizzard technique is sure to cause a chill to run down your spine. A relatively simple yet powerful technique, Eternal Blizzard has shown to be extremely powerful throughout the course of the series.

As far as a short list of other characters that I like goes… Kiyama Hiroto, Terumi “Aphrodi” Afuro, Sakuma Jirou, and Tobitaka Seiya.

Favorite One-Person Shoot (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
Eh… there are so many to choose from… in no particular order: Eternal Blizzard, Tenkuu Otoshi, Maximum Fire, Koutei Penguin Ichi-Go, Northern Impact, Heaven Drive, and Gladius Arch.

I mostly like them based on their animation (i.e. Heaven Drive) or how the character shouts out the technique (i.e. Koutei Penguin Ichi-Go or Tenkuu Otoshi).

Favorite Two-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
Now this is a lot easier for me… in no particular order: The Hurricane, The Birth, Wyvern Blizzard, Crossfire, and Prime Legend.

This time around, my choices are primarily based on animation…

Favorite Three-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
Eh… in no particular order: Grand Fire, Koutei Penguin San-Go, The Earth, Chaos Break, and Death Break.

Favorite Dribble Technique (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
In no particular order: Fujin no Mai, Heaven’s Time, and Meteor Shower.

Favorite Block Technique (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
In no particular order: Ice Ground, Snow Angel, Shinkuuma, Demon Cut, and Bunshin Defense

Favorite Catch Technique (Inazuma Eleven [episodes 001-127]):
In no particular order: Tamashii the Hand, God Hand X, Maou the Hand, and Capoeira Snatch.

Favorite Character (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]) (contains spoilers for Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone as well):
Amemiya Taiyou – I also mentioned this guy multiple times on this site already as well, so I don’t think that it should come as a very big surprise that I really like this guy as well. Taiyou is dubbed ‘the legendary genius player who comes once in a decade’, and while I may have my doubts regarding this title due to the fact that Taiyou has not been shown to be too overpowered, I would be lying if I said that Taiyou is not a powerful player.

That aside, Taiyou bears strong resemblances with another character that I really like: Kiyama Hiroto. They are the supposed ace strikers of their respective teams, they met and befriended the protagonist before they played against them, they have similar eye designs, they wear the number eleven jersey in their original appearance, and (spoiler alert!) wear the number eighteen jersey when they join the protagonist’s team. What’s more, Taiyou even got Hiroto’s Ryuusei Blade technique in the games! As a result, Taiyou felt a lot like the second generation’s Hiroto, and as I love Hiroto a lot, I ended up loving Taiyou a lot as well (I figure I would love Taiyou either way, but I just wanted to point out his resemblance with Hiroto :lol: ).

The animation of which Taiyou calls forth his Keshin is also my second-favorite (with my favorite being Shuu). Simple and clean, yet really showing off the power that is the Taiyou Shin Apollo!

My only complaint of Taiyou is that (spoiler alert!) he never got to use his Mixi-Max technique in the anime (instead being a game and movie exclusive technique). This is especially a shame as Taiyou’s Mixi-Max technique is by far my favorite Mixi-Max technique.

As far as a short list of other characters that I like goes… Hakuryuu, Tsurugi Kyousuke, and Shuu.

Favorite One-Person Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
In no particular order: Death Drop, Phantom Shot, Panther Blizzard, and White Hurricane.

Favorite Two-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
In no particular order: Fire Tornado DD, Joker Rains, and Zero Magnum.

Favorite Three-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
Evolution. I mean, not like there are a lot of three-people shoot techniques in Inazuma Eleven Go…

Favorite Dribble Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
Sprint Warp and White Blade. Yeah…

Favorite Block Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
In no particular order: The Mist and Hunter’s Net.

Favorite Catch Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
In no particular order: God Hand V, Crystal Barrier, and Burai Hand.

Favorite Keshin (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
Three-way tie between Hakuryuu’s Seijuu Shining Dragon, Amemiya Taiyou’s Taiyou Shin Apollo, and the fusion Keshin Matei Gryphon (Matsukaze Tenma/Tsurugi Kyousuke/Shindou Takuto). All of them are design-wise speaking.

A very very close second is Shuu’s Ankoku Shin Dark Exodus, followed by Tsurugi Yuuichi’s Ma Senshi Pendragon.

As far as favorite Keshin animation goes (as in “how the user calls forth their Keshin” Keshin animation)… definitely Shuu’s Ankoku Shin Dark Exodus. Close seconds are Amemiya Taiyou’s Taiyou Shin Apollo and Yukimura Hyouga’s Gousetsu no Saia

Favorite Keshin Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO [episodes 01-47]):
In no particular order: Shuu, Tsurugi Kyousuke, Tsurugi Yuuichi, Amemiya Taiyou, and Yukimura Hyouga.

Favorite Character (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
Fei Rune – Most of the characters that I like of this era of the franchise are actually returning characters from GO (Amemiya Taiyou is a notable example), but as far as Chrono Stone introduced characters go, Fei is the guy.

While I know that I didn’t put much thought into it the first time I watched through Chrono Stone, I really noticed it on my second run: there was something fishy about Fei from the get-go. As a matter of fact, Fei even openly admitted to being a Second Stage Child in one of the earlier episodes. As Chrono Stone continued, we learn more and more about Fei and the future, and everything gets flipped upside-down.

Fei is literally a bad guy who turned good… who turned bad… who turned good… yes… that’s Fei in a nutshell.

The moment I realized that Fei was actually the bad guy all along, he topped of the list immediately. I mean, yes, I am well aware that I’m a sucker for bad guys turning good (and, sometimes, vice versa), but I felt that Fei’s reveal was done pretty well. Chrono Stone is a big mind game (as to be expected for something of the nature that is Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone), so you forget the little details… I think that alone made Fei’s reveal that much better.

Techniques… hm… he got the “Fang” techniques through Mixi-Max (not a huge fan), but he also got Extreme Rabbit. I know I should not be liking this technique as much as I do, but I do. I love Extreme Rabbit (which makes me even more upset that it was only a one-off technique).

Fei is also the only character who used Keshin Armed and Mixi-Max simultaneously in the anime; as opposed to Taiyou who is the only character to accomplish that feat in the Strikers games. Coincidentally, both of them are my favorites of their respective eras (this and that doesn’t have anything to do with one another, I just thought it was a fun little fact to add).

As far as a short list of other characters that I like goes… Fran, Alpha, and Beta.

Favorite One-Person Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
In no particular order: Chaos Meteor, Dimension Storm, Disaster Break, Great Max Ore, Shoot Command 01, Shoot Command 06, Shoot Command 07, and Shellbit Burst.

Favorite Two-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
In no particular order: Great Blaster (yes, sue me) and Extreme Rabbit.

Favorite Three-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
Fire Tornado TC. Again, not like there are a lot of techniques for me to choose…

Favorite Dribble Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
All Delete and Spark Edge Dribble. I’m in real luck, aren’t I? The only dribble techniques that I really like didn’t even come out in the actual anime…

Favorite Block Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
In no particular order: Ichiyajou, Asterisk Rock, Grand Sweeper, and Screwdriver.

Favorite Catch Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
Eh… Keeper Command 07? I guess Reverse World applies as well…

Favorite Keshin (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
Not like there are a lot of Keshins in this part of the franchise, but… definitely Fei’s Kousoku Toushi Robin! I can’t really describe what it is about Robin that I like; I just really like it.

Others include Zanark Avalonic’s Makaiou Zodiac and Kongming’s Souten no Hasha Gyokuryuu (Shining Dragon 2.0, everybody!).

Favorite Keshin Armed design (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
In no particular order: Tsurugi Kyousuke, Hakuryuu, Shindou Takuto, Fei Rune, and SARU.

Favorite Keshin technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
In no particular order: Fei Rune, Zanark Avalonic, and Nanobana Kinako

Favorite Mixi-Max Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone [episodes 01-52]):
If one wondered where techniques like Tenchi Raimei and Kiku Ichimonji were: wonder no more!

In no particular order: Tenchi Raimei, Kiku Ichimonji, La Flamme, Setsuna Boost, and Taikoku Ouka.

Favorite Character (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
Matatagi Hayato – To be honest, Galaxy was rather underwhelming for me. I mean, don’t get me wrong; it was cool and I did enjoy it, but not only didn’t I find anything extraordinarily special about the characters (other than the fact that they are not, well… humans…), I also felt that the franchise had kind of run its course by the time of Galaxy. Anyhow, I still managed to find myself liking a handful of characters, with Matatagi Hayato being my top pick for Galaxy-introduced characters. I find that it is worth noting that Matatagi Hayato is the only non-ace striker forward of any team that I really like (with the exception of teams that are made up of two other teams like Chaos, Zero, and Dark Angel for obvious reasons).

In a lot of ways, Matatagi feels like the second generation’s Kazemaru Ichirouta: they are the first new member to join the protagonist, they were originally from the track team prior to picking up soccer (and, as a result, are heavily speed-focused), and they share a close bond with the protagonist (much more so than any other supporting character and almost of equivalent level as other main characters).

Matatagi is a very deep character if you go right down to it, and he is also one of those characters that perfectly describe some people in the real world. He, in short, has a lot of qualities that I really like, most notably his inner struggle between wanting to trust his friends and his inability to do so.

As far as Matatagi’s techniques goes… Parkour Attack is actually far from being my favorite technique (I mean, I know that some techniques take some building up but this one is just ridiculous…), but other than that… his Soul is really cool (both the technique as well as the creature itself), and his combination technique with Tsurugi (Black Dawn) is really cool as well.

As far as a short list of other characters that I like goes… Minaho Kazuto, Ryugel Baran, and Gandales Baran.

Favorite One-Person Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
Arashi Tatsumaki Hurricane and Stargazer. Nope, not a lot of one-person shoots that were introduced in Galaxy that I enjoyed…

Favorite Two-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
Black Dawn. Again, same problem as above…

Favorite Three-People Shoot (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
Sorry for the disappointment, but… yeah…

Favorite Soul (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
In no particular order: Matatagi Hayato, Bitway Ozrock, Tsurugi Kyousuke, Ryugel Baran, and Gandales Baran.

Favorite Dribble Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
ASOKONI UFO!! Ahem… yeah, I love that technique a lot. It was also hilarious because I was talking with a friend a few days before this technique’s debut aired about how nobody would fall for something like this… needless to say, I enjoy this technique a tad too much :lol:

Favorite Block Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
Hm… Judgement Ray would do…

Favorite Catch Technique (Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy [episodes 01-43]):
In no particular order: Rising Slash, Gekirin Dunk, and Rebound Layer.

It’s kind of unconventional for me to be writing more about the franchises in general after listing who and what I like in more detail. One of the reasons that made me choose this format is so to drown out the spoilers for those who want to know my general opinion of the franchise while not having to worry about getting spoiled.

I am going to say it right here and now: I love Inazuma Eleven. I love the franchise as a whole a lot, I love the characters, I love the plot, I love the techniques… I am well aware that anything and everything about Inazuma Eleven has its less-than-amazing points (as a matter of fact, I am pretty confident that I can name a thing or two that I find lacking about anything Inazuma Eleven-related that can be brought up). Does this make me think any less of the franchise? No.

I first got into Inazuma Eleven when I got into high school, and I think one of the biggest things that made me love Inazuma Eleven as much as I do is the fact that it is one of the very very very few franchises that I followed from basically the beginning until the franchise’s finale back in 2014. I got into the franchise around the time that the fifth episode of the original Inazuma Eleven aired in Japan (all the way back in late 2008), and I’ve been able to watch it grow and evolve over the years. I feel like this is worth mentioning, as I know that people tend to grow closer to franchises that are early in development so that they may watch said franchises grow over the months, maybe years, to come. Another thing worth mentioning is the fact that no other franchise holds the distinction where I started when it was just released and have been following it all the way until the franchise’s end. I guess it is safe to say that Inazuma Eleven holds a very dear place in my heart.

I honestly enjoyed Inazuma Eleven, Inazuma Eleven GO, Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone, and Inazuma Eleven GO: Galaxy a lot, and I cannot say just how happy I was when I heard of a new installment of Inazuma Eleven being announced for the summer of 2017! I know that I should not put my hopes up very high, especially considering that there is only so much that you can do in terms of plot, but I also know that Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin will surely live up to my expectations no matter how high I set them.

Talking about Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin… I need some place to talk about the two episodes of Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code that have already been released… for those who don’t know what that is, it is basically the “Pokémon Generations 2.0 of Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin”. Trying to describe what it is in a way that will not spoil the content of Outer Code… they are a series of five-ish minute episodes that focus upon a group of characters that will appear in Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin.

“Reaction” for the first episode of Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code.
I have mixed feelings about this episode, honestly. On the positive side, we have confirmation that Atsuya is not only alive but playing alongside Shirou. I’ve been looking forward to having Atsuya in action ever since I knew he existed, and so I was really happy to see him.

Then I sat down to think about it, and I have my doubts… most of Shirou’s developments as a character in the original Inazuma Eleven (my primary reason for liking him as much as I do to the point that I like Shirou more than my favorite Pokémon Special character) revolved around his mental struggle with Atsuya. This was the direct result of Atsuya dying. No matter how much people try to convince me, there is absolutely no way that Shirou will be the Shirou that I know and love if Atsuya did not die all those years ago. Feel free to disagree with me, but I am of the opinion that if you take away the single most important event that triggered a character’s growth, the character itself will not be the same (in comparison to before said event was taken away). As a result, I’m worried for Shirou…

Which makes me wonder how I will feel about my favorite character of Inazuma Eleven…

The fact that Someoka appeared as a member of Hakuren’s team is worrying as well, and something that brings forth a plethora of questions… Why is he at Hakuren? What happened at Raimon for him to not be in Raimon? Are the other members still in Raimon? If some are not, where are they now and why are they there and not at Raimon? How will Raimon grow as Raimon without Someoka?

While I enjoyed seeing the characters, I felt like this episode brought forth more new questions than answering old ones… how could they do this to my favorite character of the original Inazuma Eleven?

“Reaction” for the second episode of Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code.
I’m actually a big fan of the members of Aliea Academy and the Aliea Academy arc in general (if that has not been made clear already), but this episode, like its predecessor, left me with mixed emotions. We at least have confirmation that all of the Aliea Academy captains are not only back but they are on friendly terms with one another and play on the same team.

What makes me worry the most is of a similar origin as the previous episode: the fact that Kira Hiroto, the deceased son of Kira Seijirou, is alive.

I’ll be honest: based on first impressions, I don’t like him all that much, but that’s beside the point. Here’s to hoping for some nice character development!

What worries me the most is that Kiyama Hiroto, now Kiyama Tatsuya, will have to find a new way to develop into the Kiyama that we’ve all grown to know and love… the fact that Seijirou gave Kiyama the name Hiroto (due to his resemblance to his deceased son) in the original Inazuma Eleven is what caused Kiyama to be the Kiyama that we know from the Aliea Academy arc (and, consequently, the Kiyama Hiroto of FFI and IE:GO). Without that bond to Seijirou (which I doubt exists now that his son is alive; at least to the same extent), he will, like Fubuki Shirou, need to find a new way for me to like him.

Also, the sudden name change (while I will be the first to admit that I have yet to actually look for evidence) is bound to cause controversy among fans… it’s different if it were a new character with a new name, but this is an already established character getting a complete name change… I guess I will have to learn to call him “Tatsuya” from here on out…

Like the previous episode, I am really happy at the confirmation that the characters that were shown in this episode will appear in Ares no Tenbin. However, this episode also left a lot more unanswered new questions than answering old ones… how could they do this to my second favorite character of the original Inazuma Eleven?


EDIT: Hm… this post ended up longer than I thought it would end up…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 14th, 2017, 7:53 am

In short, that is indeed what Inazuma Eleven is about, yes.

Also, wow Fal… why hold back now :P ? Not like I can talk as I will not be spending a lot of time talking about my faves, but still :lol:

I am also really looking forward to the new installment of Inazuma Eleven, and while I do not have as strong of a bond with the franchise as Fal does, I still like it a lot. I also agree with Fal; there is only so much that can be done around one main premise, so in that sense it might have been a good idea to have that three year hiatus.

Needless to say, Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin is going to be awesome and I am really looking forward to it!

I also kind of second Fal's reactions towards the two episodes of Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 15th, 2017, 5:34 am

LightZephyr wrote:Also, wow Fal… why hold back now :P ?

Well, a part of me wants my post regarding Toaru Kagaku no Railgun's Saten Ruiko to remain my longest post on the site… another part of me wanted to just keep it short as I just don't have a lot of time or energy back when I wrote that post (or this one for that matter).

Eh, spoilers for Inazuma Eleven: Ares no Tenbin…
Apparently, there are going to be more returning characters than I thought there would be… I think I have to leave it at that…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 18th, 2017, 7:28 am

I… see…

Well, since I have a bit of time to spare…

Favorite character - Overall (origin: Inazuma Eleven):
Kiyama Hiroto - How should I start this post? I really like this character for a lot of reasons… I really like his design, and while his hairstyle as Gran is not my favorite, his other hairstyles are all pretty good in my opinion.

Hiroto has also been shown to have a lot of skills outside of playing superpowered soccer that ranges from technological (Hiroto being the person who operated the main computer of Garshield Bayhan in episode 112) to survival (Hiroto was, at the very least, heavily implied to have been the one to get himself and Kogure Yuuya through the night in episode 100). In other words: Hiroto is also useful outside matches.

As a character and based on his personality, I cannot find the heart to not like Hiroto. He really cares for his friends and teammates, with a notable example being the effort that he put into helping Midorikawa Ryuuji at night (going so far as to also hide it from the others).

Hiroto also makes important plays throughout the matches that he played in. As a matter of fact, Hiroto scored a goal, whether through his own technique or using a combination technique, against Raimon in every one of their matches (multiple times each match), Desert Lion, Fire Dragon, The Empire, The Unicorn, Dark Angel, Team Garshield, The Kingdom, and Little Gigant (x2). He also set up goals perfectly in other matches (like the Dragon Slayer V3 + Shin Bakunetsu Screw attack on The Kingdom). In short: Hiroto knows what he is doing.

Second favorite character - Overall (origin: Inazuma Eleven GO: Chrono Stone):
Fei Rune - For much the same reasons as Fal. While there were other characters before him, I felt like Fei's reveal was a really big one (and one that was harder to see coming than, say, Hitomiko's or Hiroto's). As a result, Fei grows quite a bit as a character throughout the course of the Chrono Stone arcs (despite being "set aside" when the other Raimon members returned).

That is basically my main reason for liking Fei… I also really like his designs, whether as regular Fei, Tyranno!Fei, Big!Fei, or Armed!Fei. Extreme Rabbit and Mangatetsu Rush were also pretty cool techniques, and I find it a shame that they were only one-off techniques…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 19th, 2017, 11:06 am

Spoilers for Ares no Tenbin.
The multitude of possible hairstyles that they give Fudou is amazing… I'm glad that they didn't change his hairstyle, though…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 21st, 2017, 4:16 am

Spoilers for Ares no Tenbin.
I know that changing the personality of returning characters goes without saying, but I hope that name and appearance changes are limited to what we already know (i.e. both Hiroto's). It is hard to suddenly switch names and appearance for a character we have known for so long, after all…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 21st, 2017, 8:03 am

Spoilers for Ares no Tenbin.
It's not just the Hiroto's who returned with a name and/or appearance change… I don't know how much is "safe" to put out here just yet, so I'll leave it at that…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Rider » January 21st, 2017, 10:02 pm

So before classes get too crazy, I managed to finish the original Inazuma Eleven (the first 127 episodes)! So I think I can safely make this post now:

Inazuma Eleven: Favorite Characters
Yep, plural, because it's a tie:
Kazemaru Ichirouta and Kiyama Hiroto
Okay, so maybe I like Hiroto better, but I'm positive that it's just because he got more screentime. So:

Why Kazemaru? For some reason, I always liked him from a few episodes after his introduction, but it was his words to Endou after the Epsilon match: "I'm not that strong."

Those words can only come from someone who's willing to face his weakness, but understand that they still have strength. No matter how hard one tries, there are some walls that will be so hard to cross that you start doubting yourself. But I would say it's different to say "I'm not that strong" versus "I am weak." In the former situation, you can still see how lacking you are and that hurts more than not knowing how strong you are. But it's because you still know you have strength in you that you can pull yourself up, with a little help of course! I wish he got a more prominent role, and I am a little sour about his lack of a role in using "Jet Stream" (the thing involves wind. That's Kazemaru's thing!!)

Now why Hiroto? This reason is a bit more personal, but caring about a family member even if they...aren't the most caring...is something I can relate to a bit. That said, he never gave up on his dad despite the whole Aliea arc and even put himself through so many trials to pay back the people who showed him how much he enjoyed soccer. That aside, his skills on the field are the real deal! Even though Kazemaru is Raimon and Inazuma's true all-rounder, Hiroto does a great job anywhere on the field and his "Tenkuu Otoshi" was incredible! Also, he is pretty good at several things, so I guess you could call him a jack-of-all-trades in life!


Now onto Inazuma Eleven GO! Though finishing that series will take longer, haha...
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 22nd, 2017, 4:39 am

Zeph and I have been working hard to keep everything behind spoiler tags :lol: at least until we reach the second page, so…

In response to one of Rider's favorite characters of Inazuma Eleven
I mean, hey… Kazemaru Ichirouta absolutely dominated a cross-franchise popularity poll (as well as consecutive Inazuma Eleven-based popularity polls) back in the day, so I can't say that I'm surprised that you like him ;) I agree with you regarding that whole "I'm not that strong" passage, and while I know that I preached Fubuki for his revolvement around perfection, Kazemaru was given a lot of hints throughout the Aliea Academy arc that he, too, struggled with it.

In response to Rider's other favorite character of Inazuma Eleven
Kiyama Hiroto is epic… out of the three fans of Inazuma Eleven on this site who are currently active as of right now, he managed to place in the top of all three's favorite lists. I mean, being a redhead sure helps, doesn't it :lol: ? Not being discriminatory to other hair colors, but I feel like a lot of redheads are just generally popular in their respective fandoms… Silver is a popular rival from the Pokémon franchise (no bias, I promise; I actually did look around the web a bit for this), Shadow (his few red quills count as being a "redhead" right…?) generally gets in the top three of popularity polls of the Sonic franchise (Knuckles, the "true" redhead of the franchise, has quite the following himself as well), Gaara is a relatively popular character from the Naruto franchise as far as I could tell back when I was still in it, Pyrrha Nikos was one of the most popular RWBY characters, Nishikino Maki is the most popular character of the Love Live franchise (to the point that polls actually had to exclude her from the choices to allow the bars of the less favorite characters to be visible on the scale)… the list goes on and on but I think that I made my point…

As Rider pointed out, Hiroto fought not only for himself or for his friends, but for his father. A father who wasn't his biological father, who used Hiroto in order to further his own plans and whom was hinted at to not have shown a lot of love and care towards Hiroto after he found the aliea meteorite. Hiroto fought for someone like that. Hiroto is loyal to the bitter end, and would take the equivalent of bullets if it meant he could protect his father (I mean… he did take a shot from Ulvida while she had her limiter removed straight to the stomach, so…). Hiroto is also very polite, becoming friends with Endou and wanting to play against him simply because he wanted to play against him (though some have speculated that it was Hiroto being manipulative, I think that Hiroto's appearances after the Aliea Academy arc are proof enough that he was being sincere).

I would like to disagree on Rider's last point, though. While I agree with him in that Kiyama Hiroto is good at a lot of things, whether it be on the pitch as a forward or midfielder or off the pitch (including, but not limited to, technology and outdoor survival), I don't think that "jack-of-all-trades" is the best way to describe him due to the negative connotation that it generally carries. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "jack-of-all-trades" mean that the person in question (Hiroto in this case), while able to do (almost) everything, they are only decent-at-best at whatever it is that they are doing? I mean, yeah, Hiroto's role on the field isn't something that cannot be filled by another character, but he scored a substantial amount of goals even in comparison to the strikers while Hiroto himself was generally used as an (albeit attacking) midfielder. In comparison, Gouenji got 10 goals, Toramaru 8, and Fubuki 6 (at two fewer games played) while Hiroto himself got 7 throughout the FFI arc (these figures includes combination techniques and only takes into account "official" matches). Yes, these figures may seem to put Hiroto in a bad light, but it should also be remembered that Hiroto has always been typically put on the field as a midfielder rather than a forward (or is more known to be a forward than another position *cough* Fubuki *cough*). If we want impressive: Kiyama Hiroto is the only one who managed to break through God Hand X on his own and through Shin God Hand X using a combination technique using Tenkuu Otoshi and Big Bang respectively.


Hehehe, especially seeing that the three seasons of IE:GO (comprising of GO, GO: Chrono Stone, and GO: Galaxy) have a higher total episode count (141) in comparison to the original Inazuma Eleven (127) :lol: have fun, and hopefully you'll finish before Ares no Tenbin airs this Summer :)
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Rider » January 22nd, 2017, 8:57 am

Falneou17 wrote:
I would like to disagree on Rider's last point, though. While I agree with him in that Kiyama Hiroto is good at a lot of things, whether it be on the pitch as a forward or midfielder or off the pitch (including, but not limited to, technology and outdoor survival), I don't think that "jack-of-all-trades" is the best way to describe him due to the negative connotation that it generally carries. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "jack-of-all-trades" mean that the person in question (Hiroto in this case), while able to do (almost) everything, they are only decent-at-best at whatever it is that they are doing? I mean, yeah, Hiroto's role on the field isn't something that cannot be filled by another character, but he scored a substantial amount of goals even in comparison to the strikers while Hiroto himself was generally used as an (albeit attacking) midfielder. In comparison, Gouenji got 10 goals, Toramaru 8, and Fubuki 6 (at two fewer games played) while Hiroto himself got 7 throughout the FFI arc (these figures includes combination techniques and only takes into account "official" matches). Yes, these figures may seem to put Hiroto in a bad light, but it should also be remembered that Hiroto has always been typically put on the field as a midfielder rather than a forward (or is more known to be a forward than another position *cough* Fubuki *cough*). If we want impressive: Kiyama Hiroto is the only one who managed to break through God Hand X on his own and through Shin God Hand X using a combination technique using Tenkuu Otoshi and Big Bang respectively.



While I completely agree with that last point about how Hiroto was impressive, the reason I called him a "jack-of-all-trades" is because it didn't appear to me that the creators really wanted much of a spotlight on the guy, which made me think he was weaker than he was. He was impressive in the last match, but for the most part, he seemed to have to participate in a combination technique for any of the climactic shots (though I guess that's true for just about all of the characters...), which makes me think the creators didn't really want to make him that strong in the FFI arc. I think they were trying hard to not give him many climactic scenes because of his role in the Aliea Arc, but with how strong everyone else got he didn't seem that strong at first glance, hence my use of "jack-of-trades," though there's definitely a better way to put that.
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 22nd, 2017, 1:07 pm

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Falneou17 wrote:
I would like to disagree on Rider's last point, though. While I agree with him in that Kiyama Hiroto is good at a lot of things, whether it be on the pitch as a forward or midfielder or off the pitch (including, but not limited to, technology and outdoor survival), I don't think that "jack-of-all-trades" is the best way to describe him due to the negative connotation that it generally carries. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "jack-of-all-trades" mean that the person in question (Hiroto in this case), while able to do (almost) everything, they are only decent-at-best at whatever it is that they are doing? I mean, yeah, Hiroto's role on the field isn't something that cannot be filled by another character, but he scored a substantial amount of goals even in comparison to the strikers while Hiroto himself was generally used as an (albeit attacking) midfielder. In comparison, Gouenji got 10 goals, Toramaru 8, and Fubuki 6 (at two fewer games played) while Hiroto himself got 7 throughout the FFI arc (these figures includes combination techniques and only takes into account "official" matches). Yes, these figures may seem to put Hiroto in a bad light, but it should also be remembered that Hiroto has always been typically put on the field as a midfielder rather than a forward (or is more known to be a forward than another position *cough* Fubuki *cough*). If we want impressive: Kiyama Hiroto is the only one who managed to break through God Hand X on his own and through Shin God Hand X using a combination technique using Tenkuu Otoshi and Big Bang respectively.



While I completely agree with that last point about how Hiroto was impressive, the reason I called him a "jack-of-all-trades" is because it didn't appear to me that the creators really wanted much of a spotlight on the guy, which made me think he was weaker than he was. He was impressive in the last match, but for the most part, he seemed to have to participate in a combination technique for any of the climactic shots (though I guess that's true for just about all of the characters...), which makes me think the creators didn't really want to make him that strong in the FFI arc. I think they were trying hard to not give him many climactic scenes because of his role in the Aliea Arc, but with how strong everyone else got he didn't seem that strong at first glance, hence my use of "jack-of-trades," though there's definitely a better way to put that.

I mean, that's fair… there was an over-emphasis on team-plays as Inazuma Japan (as Teres, captain of The Empire, and Mark and Dylan, players of Unicorn, noted in canon in episode 110). Though that would, in turn, allow the argument that they needed Hiroto (as they wouldn't be able to use their combination techniques without him; most notably Grand Fire as that has been prevalent for a few goals).

We can be here discussing Hiroto back and forth for a while :lol: but what do you think of Inazuma Eleven as a franchise so far?
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Rider » January 22nd, 2017, 11:29 pm

Falneou17 wrote:
I mean, that's fair… there was an over-emphasis on team-plays as Inazuma Japan (as Teres, captain of The Empire, and Mark and Dylan, players of Unicorn, noted in canon in episode 110). Though that would, in turn, allow the argument that they needed Hiroto (as they wouldn't be able to use their combination techniques without him; most notably Grand Fire as that has been prevalent for a few goals).

We can be here discussing Hiroto back and forth for a while :lol: but what do you think of Inazuma Eleven as a franchise so far?


For all my skepticism about the series at the beginning, it has actually made it to my top 5 Anime list. Sure, it's #4, so it could fall down a couple of places, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Definitely one of the more inspirational anime I have watched, though I'm starting to suspect that's a sports anime thing (Kuroko no Basuke is very similar in this regard). In fact, Kazemaru is probably one of my favorite characters of all time. There's a reason I managed to binge watch this anime in 3-4 weeks :lol: Seriously, though, thank you for introducing me to the franchise or I would have missed out on this gem!

Also, I've gotten through 4 episodes of GO and I'm still wondering why a guy has twin pigtails...
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Falneou17 » January 23rd, 2017, 4:27 am

Hehehe, I am glad to hear that you like Inazuma Eleven so much, then :)

Reaction to Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code Episode 03 (that was released recently):
First Shirou, then Hiroto… now it's Ichirouta?! They sure know how to mess with us fans… wow…

I will admit that the plot twist that Ichirouta's at Teikoku isn't what shocked me the most (nor that he joined Reiji). I mean, if we're going to be fair, his personality (as far as I could tell from the short amount of time that he was on) wasn't that much different from his DE form… Tatsuya and Shirou were quite a bit different from their original counterparts, so to see Ichirouta not be too different is pretty nice. Fudou being a member of Teikoku didn't shock me all that much, either. Neither did the fact that Sakuma is the team's captain (I mean, let's face it… if it isn't Kidou then it would either be Sakuma or Genda, right?). What shocked me the most is that the Teikoku uniform had the "Kidou" logo on it… what has that Yuuto guy been up to?

And, more importantly: where is Kidou?! I know that his name was mentioned in the trailer, so we know he's going to come out, but where is he and what kind of role is he going to be playing? In the end, I feel like there are more unanswered questions about Kidou Yuuto than Kazemaru Ichirouta this episode, despite the fact that Kazemaru was the one who appeared this time around.

I have given up trying to predict what is going to happen in Ares no Tenbin (in terms of returning characters)… I just find it quite amusing how they showed off three of my top four characters (up to the end of the Aliea Academy arc) in descending order for these Outer Code episodes… all I need now is an Aphrodi episode and I'm set! Though that also means that I am left not knowing how to feel about these changes…
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 23rd, 2017, 3:19 pm

I second everything that Falneou17 wrote in his post above me. I think I should leave it at that…
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Postby Falneou17 » January 26th, 2017, 11:18 am

Well, I mean, you could talk about what you think of those Outer Code episodes…? Just putting a suggestion out there ;)
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 26th, 2017, 3:39 pm

There really is not a lot to talk about that you did not already write, Fal ;) but alright…
Overall, I like the episodes; they did a really good job doing what they were supposed to: show glimpses regarding what the returning characters have been up to prior to the events of AnT due to the difference in timeline while leaving enough unanswered questions for the audience to ponder about.

My favorite so far (it should be obvious, though) is the second one. I am quite a big fan of the Aliea Academy captains, so that episode was really nice. I also agree with Fal that the "shock" factor of seeing the returning characters in different situations is not as big anymore by the time the second episode rolled around, which is a shame… it does make me wonder what they are planning for the next episode, though…
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Postby Falneou17 » January 27th, 2017, 12:11 pm

See, was that so difficult ;) :lol: :P ?

Eh… I may or may not have given up on trying to predict what is going to happen at this point… they are messing with, well, everything so much that I think it is near impossible for any of our predictions to even come remotely true…

I am going to be bold and go ahead and expect that the Raimon we've grown up to know and love, assuming that they will even appear in the first place, will be nothing like what we remember.I mean… that much should have been obvious already XD
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » January 27th, 2017, 12:42 pm

Falneou17 wrote:See, was that so difficult ;) :lol: :P ?

Eh… I may or may not have given up on trying to predict what is going to happen at this point… they are messing with, well, everything so much that I think it is near impossible for any of our predictions to even come remotely true…

I am going to be bold and go ahead and expect that the Raimon we've grown up to know and love, assuming that they will even appear in the first place, will be nothing like what we remember.I mean… that much should have been obvious already XD

Thank you, Falneou17, for stating the obvious there.

But in all seriousness… an Outer Code episode focusing on either Ichinose/Domon or Kabeyama would seem likely to come out next… I mean, they are the returning players from the FF arc who played the largest role in the Aliea Academy arc and are not considered main characters (or named "Fubuki").
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Postby Falneou17 » January 28th, 2017, 8:11 am

You welcome, LightZephyr :) . Also, yeah… I kind of agree with that prediction for the next Outer Code episode. [I am putting this post outside a spoiler tag so other people can tell that the previous post was about Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code (as that may not be very obvious)]
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » February 1st, 2017, 1:35 pm

Falneou17 wrote:You welcome, LightZephyr :) . Also, yeah… I kind of agree with that prediction for the next Outer Code episode. [I am putting this post outside a spoiler tag so other people can tell that the previous post was about Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code (as that may not be very obvious)]

Yeah, fair enough :lol: but all of that aside, it is good to see all of the Inazuma fans come out of hiding again after the last few Outer Code episodes were released :lol: granted, the franchise was on hiatus for over two years by the time the first Outer Code episode went live, but still…
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Postby Falneou17 » February 2nd, 2017, 2:39 am

LightZephyr wrote:
Falneou17 wrote:You welcome, LightZephyr :) . Also, yeah… I kind of agree with that prediction for the next Outer Code episode. [I am putting this post outside a spoiler tag so other people can tell that the previous post was about Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code (as that may not be very obvious)]

Yeah, fair enough :lol: but all of that aside, it is good to see all of the Inazuma fans come out of hiding again after the last few Outer Code episodes were released :lol: granted, the franchise was on hiatus for over two years by the time the first Outer Code episode went live, but still…

The amount of fanart for *insert the name of the returning character that appeared in the third Outer Code episode here* that have shown up since the third episode went live is amazing!
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby LightZephyr » February 2nd, 2017, 7:11 am

Falneou17 wrote:
LightZephyr wrote:
Falneou17 wrote:You welcome, LightZephyr :) . Also, yeah… I kind of agree with that prediction for the next Outer Code episode. [I am putting this post outside a spoiler tag so other people can tell that the previous post was about Inazuma Eleven: Outer Code (as that may not be very obvious)]

Yeah, fair enough :lol: but all of that aside, it is good to see all of the Inazuma fans come out of hiding again after the last few Outer Code episodes were released :lol: granted, the franchise was on hiatus for over two years by the time the first Outer Code episode went live, but still…

The amount of fanart for *insert the name of the returning character that appeared in the third Outer Code episode here* that have shown up since the third episode went live is amazing!

The return of the Inazuma Eleven fans! You thought we were all dead in 2014, didn't you? Well, we are back! And we have returned with a bang!
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Re: Inazuma Eleven [SPOILERS!]

Postby Rider » February 4th, 2017, 9:38 am

Well, since I have managed to finish Inazuma Eleven GO!

Inazuma Eleven GO! Favorite Character
Amemiya Taiyou -
Yep, this pick was a lot easier to make. I liked him ever since the first time he showed up in the series, doing a bit of practice with Tenma. If there's one thing I like the most about him, it's how straightforward he is. Despite his disease, he doesn't hold back and keeps pushing forward, constantly reminding himself that if he doesn't do so, then he'll always regret it. I kinda make it sound like he's headstrong, but he really does seem to know how to keep his cool and is the type to keep looking forward and not simply dwell on the past. It also helps that I think his Avatar is the coolest one in the series and his plays reminded me a lot more of a "magician" then Ichinose's.
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